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		<title>By: Suzannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good thing to know-- although I can imagine it sounds a bit funny if you don&#039;t know what it means ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good thing to know&#8211; although I can imagine it sounds a bit funny if you don&#8217;t know what it means <img src='http://writeitsideways.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I know what &quot;pantsing&quot; means. I didn&#039;t know before. Should I admit that? lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I know what &#8220;pantsing&#8221; means. I didn&#8217;t know before. Should I admit that? lol</p>
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		<title>By: Writers Face Off on 13 Hot Topics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writers Face Off on 13 Hot Topics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A couple of weeks ago, we noticed there were certain topics writers just can&#8217;t agree on. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: suzannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>suzannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Larry,

Thanks for your thoughts. I kind of thought you might pop up to comment ;) I haven&#039;t written about story structure at all, because you certainly have the best content on the web in that regard. No doubt, I&#039;d just make a hash of it if I tried!

And yes, I think the debate will continue, indefinitely. Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Larry,</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts. I kind of thought you might pop up to comment <img src='http://writeitsideways.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I haven&#8217;t written about story structure at all, because you certainly have the best content on the web in that regard. No doubt, I&#8217;d just make a hash of it if I tried!</p>
<p>And yes, I think the debate will continue, indefinitely. Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of the recent lightning rods for the planner-pantser debate, I feel I should weigh in on that point in your brilliant post.  Let me begin by agreeing with you -- it is one of the things writers can;t agree oon -- and I agree with Bruce, and wholeheartedly.  Also, Stephen King&#039;s name keeps popping up in this discussion, he&#039;s become the pantser poster boy.  But it&#039;s really very misleading, and anyone who uses King to support the pantsing process is really playing unfairly.  

Why?  Because King does the outlining in his head, AS HE WRITES his stories.  Don&#039;t think for a moment that he doesn&#039;t have a solid plan in his brain before he begins writing.   If you can do that -- or worse, if in your effort to be like Steve you start a story with no clue where to take it -- or if you understand the principles of story structure as well as he does, and you&#039;re a freaking genius prodigy like he is, then sure, &quot;pantsing&quot; works.  Just outline as you go.  

But that&#039;s not pantsing at all.  Believe me, King isn&#039;t experimenting with ideas, going down blind alleys, starting over and over again -- which is precisely what pretty much all other pantsers sign up for.   His advice in his book, &quot;On Writing&quot; -- in effect, to just sit down and start writing, see what happens -- is perhaps the most irresponsible and naive piece of writing mentoring to ever hit print.

He should stick to writing books and leave the writing instruction side of things to others.  

That oughtta keep the debate heated up, ya think?
.-= Read Larry´s last article ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://storyfix.com/what-we-can-learn-from-episodic-television&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What We Can Learn from Episodic Television&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the recent lightning rods for the planner-pantser debate, I feel I should weigh in on that point in your brilliant post.  Let me begin by agreeing with you &#8212; it is one of the things writers can;t agree oon &#8212; and I agree with Bruce, and wholeheartedly.  Also, Stephen King&#8217;s name keeps popping up in this discussion, he&#8217;s become the pantser poster boy.  But it&#8217;s really very misleading, and anyone who uses King to support the pantsing process is really playing unfairly.  </p>
<p>Why?  Because King does the outlining in his head, AS HE WRITES his stories.  Don&#8217;t think for a moment that he doesn&#8217;t have a solid plan in his brain before he begins writing.   If you can do that &#8212; or worse, if in your effort to be like Steve you start a story with no clue where to take it &#8212; or if you understand the principles of story structure as well as he does, and you&#8217;re a freaking genius prodigy like he is, then sure, &#8220;pantsing&#8221; works.  Just outline as you go.  </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not pantsing at all.  Believe me, King isn&#8217;t experimenting with ideas, going down blind alleys, starting over and over again &#8212; which is precisely what pretty much all other pantsers sign up for.   His advice in his book, &#8220;On Writing&#8221; &#8212; in effect, to just sit down and start writing, see what happens &#8212; is perhaps the most irresponsible and naive piece of writing mentoring to ever hit print.</p>
<p>He should stick to writing books and leave the writing instruction side of things to others.  </p>
<p>That oughtta keep the debate heated up, ya think?<br />
.-= Read Larry´s last article ..<a href="http://storyfix.com/what-we-can-learn-from-episodic-television" rel="nofollow">What We Can Learn from Episodic Television</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: suzannah</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzann,

Thank you! Your feedback is really heartening--makes me feel like this is all worth the effort.

You make a great point about distinguishing between self-publishing and vanity publishing, so thank you for bringing it to my attention. It&#039;s a subject I should be researching more because it&#039;s now becoming so commonplace.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these 3 topics, as well. Lovely to hear from someone with as much writing and publishing experience as you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzann,</p>
<p>Thank you! Your feedback is really heartening&#8211;makes me feel like this is all worth the effort.</p>
<p>You make a great point about distinguishing between self-publishing and vanity publishing, so thank you for bringing it to my attention. It&#8217;s a subject I should be researching more because it&#8217;s now becoming so commonplace.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these 3 topics, as well. Lovely to hear from someone with as much writing and publishing experience as you!</p>
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		<title>By: Suzann Ledbetter Ellingsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzann Ledbetter Ellingsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a multi-published writer and a freelance editor, your blog should be printed and tacked above every writer&#039;s desk.   Tattoos on both forearms would be better, but  also expensive and would hurt like hell.     

I&#039;m with you 100% on grammar.  Misused apostrophes and pronoun non-agreement are my bigger peeves.   

Snow is cold and white.  Save adjectives for descriptions showing readers what they don&#039;t already know.     

Outlines are mandatory for a proposal (fiction or non-) to an editor/agent.   There&#039;s no reason not to begin  with one.   Stephen King may not formally outline, but does jot notes as an idea is developing.  And none of the rest of us is Stephen King.

Self-publishing is printing, not publishing.  That&#039;s fine for those who choose to, but too many believe self-publishers&#039; pitches and  fail to research the veritable impossibility of selling more than a handful of copies.   

Vanity press and self-publishing are not synonymous.  The former route taken by major, traditional publishers is the objection.   For writers to pay for their books&#039; production, (sans editing, other than cursory attempts) then split all royalties on all sales with that vanity press is tantamount to a scam.    For writers&#039; rejected submissions to be steered to a vanity press division is worse.    

Please do distinguish between self-pub and vanity.  It&#039;s doubtful the writers&#039; organizations who have disassociated themselves from publishers with vanity press divisions would have done so, had those publishers chosen the self-publish route. 

Writing Sideways is the bomb.   You type from experience and smarts.  The as-yet-unpublished would be well-served incorporating the topics in their own work, rather than mining for exceptions elsewhere.   

So there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a multi-published writer and a freelance editor, your blog should be printed and tacked above every writer&#8217;s desk.   Tattoos on both forearms would be better, but  also expensive and would hurt like hell.     </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you 100% on grammar.  Misused apostrophes and pronoun non-agreement are my bigger peeves.   </p>
<p>Snow is cold and white.  Save adjectives for descriptions showing readers what they don&#8217;t already know.     </p>
<p>Outlines are mandatory for a proposal (fiction or non-) to an editor/agent.   There&#8217;s no reason not to begin  with one.   Stephen King may not formally outline, but does jot notes as an idea is developing.  And none of the rest of us is Stephen King.</p>
<p>Self-publishing is printing, not publishing.  That&#8217;s fine for those who choose to, but too many believe self-publishers&#8217; pitches and  fail to research the veritable impossibility of selling more than a handful of copies.   </p>
<p>Vanity press and self-publishing are not synonymous.  The former route taken by major, traditional publishers is the objection.   For writers to pay for their books&#8217; production, (sans editing, other than cursory attempts) then split all royalties on all sales with that vanity press is tantamount to a scam.    For writers&#8217; rejected submissions to be steered to a vanity press division is worse.    </p>
<p>Please do distinguish between self-pub and vanity.  It&#8217;s doubtful the writers&#8217; organizations who have disassociated themselves from publishers with vanity press divisions would have done so, had those publishers chosen the self-publish route. </p>
<p>Writing Sideways is the bomb.   You type from experience and smarts.  The as-yet-unpublished would be well-served incorporating the topics in their own work, rather than mining for exceptions elsewhere.   </p>
<p>So there.</p>
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		<title>By: suzannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>suzannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing, Jonathan.

I agree with your thoughts on grammar. Sometimes it works, sometimes you need to bend the rules.

Your numbers on self-publishing are thought-provoking, and you&#039;re right--traditional publishing is highly competitive. Writers must choose for themselves whether they plan to beat the staggering odds, or self-publish and try to market it themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing, Jonathan.</p>
<p>I agree with your thoughts on grammar. Sometimes it works, sometimes you need to bend the rules.</p>
<p>Your numbers on self-publishing are thought-provoking, and you&#8217;re right&#8211;traditional publishing is highly competitive. Writers must choose for themselves whether they plan to beat the staggering odds, or self-publish and try to market it themselves.</p>
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